What’s Up With The Rev 12 Dates?

By Daniel Valles, Posted to Editor's Blog: 04/17/2014

For those who have been following the signs in the heavens detailed in Rev 12 (via our resources, and many others on the internet), you knew that the general consensus seems to indicate that the sign is the midpoint of the tribulation, and that (therefore) there must be 1,260 days prior to this event. With a quick date calculator, we know that 1,260 prior to Sept 23, 2017 would have been April 12th or 13th (depending if you count the 23rd in the count). Sooo, the question at this post-date time is: what are we missing?

Here’s some of my musings from reviewing the data, and looking at different possibilities:

  • I have seen nothing that would even slightly negate the validity of the Rev 12 signs in the heaven, and that they happen on Sept 23, 2017.
  • The sign seems to mark when Satan makes his move against Israel in the midst of the Tribulation (Dan 9:27, Rev 12:6).
  • It appears strongly that the two witnesses’ time of 1,260 days is in the first half of the Tribulation (Rev 11).
  • The Rev 12 sign (in context) is witnessed before Satan makes war in heaven, is kicked out of heaven, and makes his move against Israel.
  • The two witnesses seem to be killed around the same time when Satan makes his moves against Israel, and sets up the abomination.
  • Rev 11:8 tells us: that the Antichrist "shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." The strong language indicates that the struggle will be more than just walking up and killing them. It is implied that this is quite an effort involved, and it would be assumed that this might not be over in a day. (I am doing some additional research that may bolster this further).

So, what we don’t know 100%, and is educated guess and speculation at this point, is: Does the 1,260 days for the witnesses overlaps the Rev 12 sign by a few days, and place the final days (including battle, and laying dead in the streets for three and a half days) of the witnesses in Satan’s attacks on Israel - post-Rev12 sign. If so, then an unknown offset of days (but small) seems to enters the equation. In short, Satan makes his move against Israel (and the two witnesses) in "the midst" of the tribulation, but it starts to take place over a few days before the 1,260 days of Israel’s protection (Rev 12:6). The Rev 12 signs seems to be the flag announcing the shift, not necessarily the exact midpoint, but very, very close; a few quick events take place just prior to Israel’s 1,260 days in the latter half.

With all of the signs pointing to this time in history, along with the other current signs in the moon, sun, etc. I feel it is safe to say that the Rev 12 sign is still valid, and that there seems to be reasonable evidence to indicate the possibility of several days offset from April 12th. (Again, I would recommend you print out these thoughts, and place it with your resources. Continue to keep me in prayer as I study this more. And, with all of this in mind, occupy till He comes, and keep on watching and living in light of His return. Maranatha!

Comment | Support


Recent News...

Eurasian economic union treaty to be ready for signature by May - Medvedev
04/17/2014, voiceofrussia.com
A future treaty of what is to become the Eurasian Economic Union is going to be ready for signature by May, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said at a meeting with his Belarusian and Kazakh counterparts on Tuesday.
Study: “Significant Number” of Patients Wrongly Diagnosed as in “Vegetative” State
04/17/2014, lifenews.com
...if there is one overriding lesson from this study, and others like it that we we’ve reported on, it’s that large numbers of patients with severe brain injuries are quickly—and often inaccurately—labeled in a PVS.
NATO to send ships to Baltic to bolster defence of E.European allies
04/17/2014, in.reuters.com
NATO, the 28-member alliance dominated by the United States, has made clear it does not plan to get involved militarily in Ukraine, which is not a NATO member. But it announced plans on Wednesday to send more ships, planes and troops to eastern Europe to reassure members of the alliance...
Citing Russian Moves, NATO Plans New Deployments
04/17/2014, nytimes.com
Mr. Rasmussen said the decision on Wednesday meant that aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region and that allied ships will deploy to the Baltic Sea, the eastern Mediterranean and elsewhere, as required.
Violent clashes between IDF and Palestinians break out in Hebron
04/17/2014, jpost.com
For the second day in a row violent clashes broke out between the IDF and Palestinian activists in Hebron by the Policeman’s Checkpoint in the West Bank city.
Illinois rejects ban on reparative therapy for minors with same-sex attraction
04/17/2014, lifesitenews.com
It is the fifth state to vote down a ban on the practice in recent months, following high profile debates over the issue in California and New Jersey, which both instated bans last year.
Fliers call on Ukrainian Jews to register with pro-Russian separatists
04/17/2014, jta.org
Pro-Russian separatists from Donetsk in eastern Ukraine denied any involvement in the circulation of fliers calling on Jews to register with separatists and pay special taxes.
Editor: Related: Flyer in East Ukraine Demands all Jews Register With Separatists, Pay Special Fees; Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Ukraine restricts Russians’ entry, Moscow threatens retaliation
04/17/2014, reuters.com
The Kiev government, which has accused Moscow of stirring up trouble in the largely Russian-speaking east, said it would target checks on "men of an active age" due to "possible provocations". ...between the ages of 16 and 60 would be denied entry unless they had proof of a reason to visit, such as family ties or an invitation from a business or individual, or were travelling with their families.
Putin: I Would Be Justified Using Force in Ukraine
04/17/2014, time.com
He then reminded viewers that the Russian parliament has given him approval to send troops into Ukraine. “I really hope that I’m won’t be forced to use that right,” he says. But Russia has been warning for months that it would take eastern Ukraine “under its protection” if the local population came under threat of military force.
Hundreds of earthquakes strike central Idaho, rattling nerves
04/16/2014, reuters.com
The recent earthquake swarm, beginning on March 24 and climaxed by a 4.9 magnitude tremor on Saturday, has produced no reports of injuries or severe damage but has rattled nerves in a region where Idaho's most powerful known quake, measured at 6.9, killed two children in 1983.
‘We Should Teach the Arabs a Lesson For Once’
04/16/2014, israelnationalnews.com
Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem demands that Temple Mount be closed to Arabs - not just Jews - following Wednesday's riots. ..."We need to make order out of the chaos which erupts at the site every holiday," he stressed. "I already expect Arabs to throw stones tomorrow at the Western Wall. We should teach the Arabs a lesson for once and close it for them [too]."
Editor: These are very provocative words, with loaded meaning. There are still a few days in the Passover holiday time for this to fester. This will escalate, and (given the lateness of the hour) I suspect we will see things escalate rather quickly...
Obama picks gay bishop to wrap Easter Prayer Breakfast with invocation
04/16/2014, washingtontimes.com
...Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. [PORTION CENSORED BY INFORMEDCHRISTIANS.COM]!”
Editor: An open mockery and blasphemy!
Unusual geological event in USA on Wednesday, 16 April, 2014 at 10:53 (10:53 AM) UTC.
04/16/2014, hisz.rsoe.hu
A warning issued today by the Ministry of the Russian Federal for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters (EMERCOM) has advised the World Organization of Volcano Observatories (WOVO) that a "Red Alert" status level for the Borah Peak Mountain in Idaho (North America/United States) may be warranted in the coming weeks due to increased volcanic-seismic activity detected by both ground and satellite observations.
Editor: Food for thought... Related USGS data.
Judge overturns tough North Dakota abortion law
04/16/2014, bbc.com
...banning abortion after the foetus' heartbeat can be detected, as early as six weeks in some cases. District Judge Daniel Hovland found the law "invalid and unconstitutional" on Wednesday.
Dozens wounded in Temple Mount riot
04/16/2014, timesofisrael.com
Dozens of Palestinian protesters and an Israeli policeman were wounded Wednesday morning on the Temple Mount after the site was opened to Jewish visitors.
Ukrainian soldiers surrender armoured personnel carriers to pro-Russian separatists
04/16/2014, abc.net.au
...personnel carriers driven into the eastern Ukrainian city of Slaviansk under the control of Ukrainian armed forces are now believed to be in the control of pro-Russian separatists after Ukrainian soldiers surrendered their vehicles. ...Meanwhile, NATO said it had decided on a series of immediate steps to reinforce its forces in eastern Europe because of the Ukraine crisis.
Rebel videos show first U.S.-made rockets in Syria
04/15/2014, reuters.com
U.S. officials say privately there remain clear limits to American backing for the insurgency, given the widely dominant role played by Islamist militants. A proposal to supply MANPAD surface-to-air missiles was considered but rejected.
Malta legalizes same-sex civil unions as bill passes 37-0
04/15/2014, lifesitenews.com
Despite strong public opposition to the idea, the bill also allows same-sex civil partners to adopt children.
Kiev military op in eastern Ukraine LIVE UPDATES
04/15/2014, rt.com
Kiev authorities have started a military operation against anti-government protesters in eastern Ukraine. Conflicting reports of casualties emerged after troops, with air and armored vehicle support, stormed areas occupied by the activists.
Editor: Note the source, so take everything with a proper amount of salt; but, this is about the rare coverage we will get at the moment....
Powerful quake [6.9] strikes the Atlantic Ocean off Africa, no tsunami alert
04/15/2014, wireupdate.com
A powerful and shallow earthquake struck the Atlantic Ocean far south of Africa on early Tuesday morning, but no tsunami was generated and the tremor was centered too far from land to have caused any damage, seismologists said.
Editor: Related: M6.9 - Bouvet Island region
Police Are Testing a “Live Google Earth” To Watch Crime As It Happens
04/15/2014, gizmodo.com
McNutt describes his product as "a live version of Google Earth, only with TiVo capabilities,"
Editor: This is controlled information release - they have had this (and more) capabilities for over a decade.
Russia: Ukraine on brink of civil war
04/15/2014, timesofisrael.com
...said Ukraine was on the verge of civil war as Kiev authorities launched a military operation against pro-Kremlin militants in the separatist east. ...also took issue with the Ukrainian authorities’ appeal to bring United Nations troops to help calm tensions. “As a rule, the arrival of peacekeeping contingents does not solve anything, unfortunately, it just puts the problem on ice,”
Russia prepared to let tanks roll across borders: German minister
04/15/2014, reuters.com
Speaking at an event in Berlin alongside new French Prime Minister Manuel Valls to commemorate World War One...
Ukraine troops seize airfield from pro-Russian forces
04/15/2014, usatoday.com
While reports remained sketchy, Interfax Ukraine says Ukrainian armored personnel carriers stormed the airfield, which lies between the cities of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. Interfax reports that Ukrainian troops fired on pro-Russian terrorists who had occupied the airfield. ...Russia strongly warned Kiev against using force against the pro-Russian protesters, saying Moscow could walk out of an international conference devoted to the Ukrainian crisis scheduled for Thursday. ...In a sign the economic situation is becoming ever more difficult, Ukraine's central bank increased its benchmark interest rate by a whopping 7 percent to 14.5 percent.
Guinea says few new Ebola cases, outbreak nearly under control
04/15/2014, reuters.com
"The number of new cases have fallen rapidly," said Rafi Diallo, a spokesman for Guinea's health ministry, who gave the latest toll of 106 dead in Guinea from 159 confirmed and suspected cases of Ebola since the outbreak began in February.
India now recognizes transgender citizens as ‘third gender’
04/15/2014, washingtonpost.com
He directed local governmental bureaucracies to identify transgender people as a neutral third gender, adding that they will now have the same access to social welfare programs as other minority groups in India, the world’s largest democracy...
Ukraine’s Parliament Declares Crimea, Sevastopol ‘Occupied Territory’
04/15/2014, en.ria.ru
Moscow has described the uprising in Kiev as an illegitimate fascist coup and a military seizure of power, which resulted in it taking steps to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Ukraine sends troops, tanks to the east troops, pro-Russian insurgents
04/15/2014, therepublic.com
Busloads of Ukrainian troops and a handful of tanks set up Tuesday outside an eastern city controlled by armed pro-Russian militiamen as the country's acting president announced an "anti-terrorist operation" to root out the separatists.
Editor: Related: Military storm airfield, town in eastern Ukraine, wounded reported - protesters - “We were forced out of the airfield, but the city itself is under our control, we won’t allow [the Ukrainian troops] to enter,” one of the activists told Interfax.
Russia Tests-Fires Yars Ballistic Missile
04/14/2014, en.ria.ru
...from a launch site in northwest Russia, the Defense Ministry said. ...can carry multiple independently-targetable nuclear warheads designed to evade missile defense systems to a range of 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles).
Russian Jet Passes Near US Warship
04/14/2014, abcnews.go.com
...near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday ...the Russian Fencer made 12 passes, and flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. The U.S. warship issued several radio queries and warnings using international emergency circuits, but the Russian aircraft did not respond. ...a Russian Navy ship, a frigate, has been shadowing the U.S. warship, remaining within visual distance
Army goes to war with National Guard, seizes Apache attack helicopters
04/14/2014, washingtontimes.com
All of the Guard’s AH-64 Apache helicopters are scheduled to go to the active Army, and there’s nothing its top brass can do about it. ...When the logistics are worked out, the Army’s fleet of OH-58 Kiowa helicopters will be divested, its newly acquired Apaches will fill its reconnaissance and scouting needs, and the National Guard will be given UH-60 Black Hawks.
South Korea, United States Hold Largest Ever Joint Air Drill
04/14/2014, thediplomat.com
The biannual Max Thunder exercise will be largest ever, according to AFP, involving 103 aircraft and 1,400 troops. ...“The combined air forces will strengthen their battle readiness under the current situation when tension rises over the Korean peninsula,” said a statement released by the South Korean Air Force.
Ukraine asks for UN peacekeepers in restive east
04/14/2014, businessweek.com
In a telephone conversation with Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, Turchynov suggested that an "anti-terrorist operation" could be conducted jointly by Ukrainian security forces and U.N. peacekeepers, according to the presidential web site. Peacekeepers would have to be authorized by the U.N. Security Council, in which Russia holds a veto.
Police building, airport seized in east Ukraine
04/14/2014, timesofindia.indiatimes.com
... in the city of Horlivka not far from the border with Russia, and flew the Russian flag from the building. ...Later in the day, armed men in masks also seized control of a military airport outside the city Slovyansk, also in the Donetsk region. ... Acting deputy interior minister Mykola Velichkovych acknowledged on Monday that some police officers in eastern regions were switching sides. "In the east we have seen numerous facts of sabotage from the side of police,"
Bomb kills 71, wounds 124 at busy Nigeria bus station
04/14/2014, usatoday.com
...blamed Boko Haram, an Islamic extremist group which operates in the northeast of Nigeria. The group had threatened to attack Nigeria's capital.
Israeli institute prepares priests for Jerusalem’s third temple
04/13/2014, al-monitor.com
...this year the practice drill and re-enactment of the Passover sacrifice will be carried out by the students of the school for priests, Nezer Ha-kodesh, which started operating this year. The priest school intends to train the hundreds of priests that would be needed to work at the third temple; many Jews endeavor for its establishment in Israel today. ...about 12 official groups are working in Israel today to establish the temple. Some of them receive funding amounting to hundreds of thousands of shekels from the State of Israel.
Ukraine crisis: UN Security Council holds emergency session on Ukraine
04/13/2014, cbc.ca
Russia's Foreign Ministry said earlier it would put an urgent discussion of the situation in Ukraine on the Security Council agenda, calling Kyiv's plans to mobilize the army to put down a rebellion by pro-Russian militants in eastern Ukraine "criminal".
Editor: Related: UN Security Council to Meet Late Sunday on Ukraine
4.9-Magnitude Earthquake Rattles Central Idaho
04/13/2014, abcnews.go.com
...no reported damage or injuries in the sparsely populated mountain area. USGS geophysicist Dale Grant says the earthquake was "kind of an unusual occurrence" being the first one of its strength in the area since 2005.
Solomon Islands hit by second quake
04/13/2014, bbc.com
A magnitude 7.5 earthquake has struck off the Solomon Islands - less than a day after a similar strength tremor.
East Ukraine protesters joined by miners on the barricades
04/12/2014, theguardian.com
...Donetsk is the heart of eastern Ukraine's coalmining country ...if the 100,000-plus employees of coalmining enterprises were to rise en masse, that would change the political picture drastically, in a similar fashion to the Donbass miners' strikes that helped bring about the breakup of the Soviet Union.
Israeli Officials: No Chances that Talks Will Resume
04/12/2014, israelnationalnews.com
The officials cited the departure of U.S. mediator Martin Indyk, who met with the sides on Thursday but left the region and is not due back until after the Passover holiday. On Thursday it was also widely speculated that the peace talks were salvaged in the form of a deal freeing Jonathan Pollard in exchange for Israeli-held Arab terrorist convicts and an extension of talks.
Mag-7.6 Quake, Waves Strike Solomon Islands
04/12/2014, abcnews.go.com
...there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center on Sunday canceled a tsunami warning after earlier issuing an alert for some Pacific islands. The center reported that sea level readings indicate a small tsunami was generated that may have caused some destruction near the epicenter.
BLM backs off confrontation with Nevada rancher
04/12/2014, sltrib.com
The Bureau of Land Management pulled back from a confrontation with a southern Nevada rancher Saturday due to concerns about the safety of its employees as well as members of the public. ..."After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially."
The People vs. BLM: Liberty defeats govt. tyranny as feds release all cattle at Bundy Ranch
04/12/2014, naturalnews.com, by Mike Adams
A tense standoff had taken place for several hours, where armed citizens of the United States of America -- many on horseback -- drew a literal line in the sand and refused to back down until BLM released the cattle.
Ukraine says Russia stoking unrest as gunmen seize more buildings
04/12/2014, in.reuters.com
...took over the police and security services headquarters in the eastern city of Slaviansk, about 150 km (90 miles) from the border with Russia, seizing hundreds of handguns. Police said gunmen later took over the local headquarters of Ukraine's SBU security service.
Egypt’s Tahrir Square dream fades as Sisi builds power
04/12/2014, reuters.com
...the Brotherhood. It is the most influential mainstream Islamist organization in the world and its confrontation with the army-backed authorities in Cairo has created a country more divided than at any time since the group was founded in Egypt in 1928. ...Officials privately agree that Egypt needs not just the iron fist but a whole new outlook from its rulers, including an overhaul of the nation's religious and political institutions.
Editor: Related - Biblical Prophecies of the Middle East Poster
Syrian rebels, government confirm poison gas attack in central village
04/12/2014, foxnews.com
State-run Syrian television on Saturday blamed members of the Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front for using chlorine gas at Kfar Zeita, killing two people and injuring more than 100.
Iraq insurgents use water as weapon after seizing dam
04/11/2014, reuters.com
The militants closed all eight of the dam's 10 gates one week ago, flooding land upstream and reducing water levels in Iraq's southern provinces, through which the Euphrates flows before emptying into the Gulf.
Missouri Dems Introduce Alarming Gun Confiscation Bill Giving Law-Abiding Gun Owners 90 Days…
04/11/2014, theblaze.com
...in California last week also proposed legislation that called for the potential confiscation of the state’s 166,000 legally purchased semi-automatic rifles.
Swiss, UN accept Palestinian requests to join international treaties
04/11/2014, ynetnews.com
Both the United Nations and the Swiss government have accepted the Palestinian Authority's requests to join 14 international treaties and conventions. Israel had opposed the move, arguing that there is no universally recognized Palestinian state and that it would complicate peace talks.
Real Americans Are Ready To Snap
04/11/2014, alt-market.com, By Brandon Smith
Discussions within the movement are far from apathetic. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of eyes are watching every move of the BLM right now, and they should be taking this fact very seriously.
Editor: Food for thought...
US Levies More Sanctions Over Crimea Takeover
04/11/2014, abcnews.go.com
...sanctioned the former vice speaker of the Ukrainian parliament, six Crimean separatist leaders and a Crimea-based gas company over Russia's takeover of the Crimean Peninsula.
Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts
04/11/2014, usatoday.com
The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide. ...The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.
New Quake Shakes Nicaragua; Nation on Alert
04/11/2014, abcnews.go.com
...magnitude-6.6 earthquake has shaken Nicaragua, a day after a magnitude-6.1 quake rattled the country.
7.3-magnitude quake hits near Papua New Guinea: USGS
04/11/2014, todayonline.com
... no immediate reports of damage. ...tsunami was not expected


View previous events in the Newsroom.